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I've watched two of the videos allegedly composed by Jared Lee Loughner, the 22 year-old right-wing nutter who shot Democratic Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 17 others five or six hours ago. Tea Party gun wackos are all over Arizona, but are you going to tell me that Sarah Palin's "Take Back The 20" website (which has since gone down) and its use of rifle-sight imagery to target Giffords wasn't an inflammatory factor?

After Giffords' office was attacked, she spoke to MSBNC about being the target of Sarah Palin's campaign that had Congressional areas in crosshairs. "Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," she said, "and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action." She stated that such imagery was trying to "incite people and inflame emotions."

N.Y. Times Update: "Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik offered an emotional, angry assessment of the state of America in the wake of the shootings in Arizona, saying that two of his close friends -- Ms. Giffords and Judge John Roll -- were among the victims.

"Mr. Dupnik blamed the crime on the rhetoric -- presumably political rhetoric -- in the country.

"'When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government,' he said. "The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on this country is getting to be outrageous and unfortunately Arizona has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

"Mr. Dupnik said it is time for the country to 'do a little soul searching.'

"'The vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business...This has not become the nice United States that most of us grew up in.'"

Update: An HE reader made a fair point in linking to this 12.13.04 Democratic Leadership Council page with a map targeting red states that were deemed possibly winnable by Democratic candidates in future elections. Each state is marked with a target icon similar to Sarah Palin's Take Back The 20 website. Yes, it's the same idea but -- key distinction! -- the Democrats used archery target icons while Palin used rifle-sight icons. Bows and arrows are inherently less lethal and obviously an anachronistic alliteration. If and when an assassin tries to kill a politician with a bow and arrow, let me know and we'll talk.

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Posted by Jeffrey Wells on January 8, 2011 at 3:06 PM

comment #1

Jack South P.I. says ...

Nuts will see what they want to see. It's not fair for Right-wingers to blame movies for acts of violence and it's not fair for you to blame Palin for this.

This is from someone who HATES Palin.

Posted by Jack South P.I. at January 8, 2011 3:30 PM

comment #2

George Prager says ...

Her 2010 Tea Party opponnent:
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2011/1/8/13371/41091/21#c21

Posted by George Prager at January 8, 2011 3:35 PM

comment #3

Joe G says ...

Oh come on. How was she supposed to know that imagery was "loaded". It's not like this country has a history of gunning down its politicians.

Posted by Joe G at January 8, 2011 3:36 PM

comment #4

Jeffrey Wells says ...

I'm not blaming Palin for this. I said that the rifle-sight imagery on her 'Take Back The 20' website map was almost certainly "an inflammatory factor." How can you look at that map and say, "Oh, she did nothing to excite or inflame"? Appealing to righties who have guns already + using the rifle-sight images to target opponents was obviously an attempt to jumble up resentment of Democrats with general gun-culture emotion.

Update: If you look at the above video, Lincoln62, you'll note that Giffords herself felt that Palin was inciting and inflaming things. Perhaps you could pass along your disagreement to Giffords personally, or to her Congressional office.

Posted by Jeffrey Wells at January 8, 2011 3:39 PM

comment #5

62Lincoln says ...

Jeff, there is nothing in this guy's history that labels him as "right wing" or "left wing". Have you been paying any attention to what the media have found on this guy's myspace page (before it was taken down)? He's a nut job, with a pinch of right wing conspiracy theory and a touch of left wing nutter 'mond control' mixed together.

Don't assign a label to this guy when you don't know enough details to do so. The one label that does apply is murderer.

Posted by 62Lincoln at January 8, 2011 4:13 PM

comment #6

62Lincoln says ...

Sorry, mind control.

Posted by 62Lincoln at January 8, 2011 4:14 PM

comment #7

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Yes, I've been paying attention. He's anti-government, anti-mind control, anti-Big Brother, anti-Treasury, etc. A mention of illiterates (although mis-spelled) in his Tuscon district. The "dreamworld" spoken of by David Icke. Patriot Movement echoes. We all know the tropes. It's the realm of the radical right.

http://www.davidicke.com/

Posted by Jeffrey Wells at January 8, 2011 4:21 PM

comment #8

THE MovieBob says ...

Yeah, I'll say it - short of being able to rewind the planet and make this ghastly thing not happen at all, I'd like nothing more than for this kid to turn out to be a Teabagger of one sort or another just so that SOMETHING can rip the mask of that insanity once and for all... But it's not looking like that's gonna be the case. That's not to say it won't turn out, but right now the "evidence" points more strongly to him being a classic paranoid-schizophrenic - his "fave books" list has Ayn Rand sharing space with Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto. I imagine his radio dial will turn out to be tuned more frequently to Alex Jones than Glenn Beck.

That said, I have NO qualms whatsoever about putting the fact that we're still having politicians gunned down by lunatics SQUARELY onto the Tea Party, the Republicans, Palin, Beck, Fox, etc. because THEY are the ones who continue to prop up America's bullshit "gun culture" as some kind of sacrosanct noble thing. I'm not an "anti-2nd-Ammendment" guy, but I'm a civilized human in the 21st Century and I'm fucking tired of insecure morons posing with their weapons-caches being regarded as anything other than a laughable, potentially-dangerous anachronism.

Posted by THE MovieBob at January 8, 2011 4:29 PM

comment #9

shanes5 says ...

At a minimum; Palin, Angle, Beck and their ilk are guilty of yelling "Fire!" in the theatre.

Posted by shanes5 at January 8, 2011 4:35 PM

comment #10

Grover Dill says ...

"...the 22 year-old right-wing nutter..."

This dude burns the American flag, doesn't like religion, and lists among his favorite books The Communist Manifesto...just like Sarah Palin!

Posted by Grover Dill at January 8, 2011 4:45 PM

comment #11

phantasmata says ...

woman on twitter claims she knew the guy in high school and college:

http://twitter.com/#!/caitieparker

says she hadn't talked to him since '07 but when she knew him he was "pretty liberal" but obsessed with 2012 mayan shit.

to paraphrase hitler, i think people are making a mistake when they think of this sort of thing as merely political.

i've always been totally fascinated with conspiracy theorists (the theories themselves are boring) and as such i've spent a lot of time listening to crap like coast to coast am and reading various sites most people would find bizarre, to put it mildly (just google "vigilant citizen" if you want a prime example). politically, these people are usually all over the map, which is what this guy seems like. he may have been liberal when this woman on twitter knew him, but all of the anti-government, rah rah constitution, "new currency." invest in gold shit, etc. is all part of the paranoiac worldview. i hear SO MANY commercials on coast to coast about gold it's fucking comical. this guy also believed the government is into mind control and was "watching" him--100% typical paranoiac shit. and the mayan 2012 crap just adds to the overall picture. there's much more to this guy than a simple political outlook.

i agree with movie bob--this guy was closer to alex jones than to glenn beck (although that line is beginning to blur more and more).

Posted by phantasmata at January 8, 2011 4:59 PM

comment #12

Kakihara says ...

I'd like to thank the NRA, Bush, for choosing not to renew the '94 assault weapon legislation which even Reagan endorsed, and DiFi, for taking it completey off the table.

62Lincoln: "Jeff, there is nothing in this guy's history that labels him as "right wing" or "left wing"."

In which state did this happen again? What was the political affiiliation of his target again?

Grover: "This dude burns the American flag, doesn't like religion, and lists among his favorite books The Communist Manifesto...just like Sarah Palin!"

Well, he certainly seemed to show it by going after a Jewish woman who believed in gay marriage rights and health care reform....

Posted by Kakihara at January 8, 2011 5:07 PM

comment #13

dogcatcher says ...

I agree with MovieBob. Originally, like many people, I assumed this was a looney tea party thing. But if you read what he writes carefully, and look at his list of books, etc. it doesn't seem like the kind of stuff Palin supporters are into. He's also an athetist.

He's either one of these Ron Paul nuts. All that talk about gold, silver and fiat money is a Paul talking point, not a teabagger thing. Or I think he might be one of those anarchists who smashes up shit at WTO meetings, etc. Or a combination of both. I don't think he's a Palin supporter, at least i'm leaning against it at this point. We need more information.

Posted by dogcatcher at January 8, 2011 5:09 PM

comment #14

Kakihara says ...

dogcatcher: Normally, I would too, except it's right on the heels of that Holocaust museum shooter, so...

Posted by Kakihara at January 8, 2011 5:12 PM

comment #15

nightheat says ...

Despite the shooters politics, you have to question elected officials, talk show pundits, and people running for office about their irresponsible rhetoric. From my perspective, I'd say that its coming from one side, since a certain african american was elected into the presidency.. They need to pay. We need to mine media matters and just find every clip we can and expose em with their own words.

Posted by nightheat at January 8, 2011 5:42 PM

comment #16

nouvelle_vague says ...

implicating Palin and being wrong only empowers her and her supporters. Dont be so quick to judge

Posted by nouvelle_vague at January 8, 2011 5:47 PM

comment #17

Sams says ...

He may be a nut job who never saw Palin's graph but that doesn't make Palin's use of crosshairs any less irresponsible.

Posted by Sams at January 8, 2011 5:48 PM

comment #18

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Wells to nouvelle_vague: As I said to Lincoln62, tell Giffords that.

Posted by Jeffrey Wells at January 8, 2011 5:53 PM

comment #19

nouvelle_vague says ...

its a miracle shes going to pull through. I'm be thrilled to tell her republicans and their supporters had no part in her attack, if that turns out to be true.

My point is simply dont be so quick to point fingers. We're all in this together. lets not give them any more advantage then they already have.

Posted by nouvelle_vague at January 8, 2011 5:59 PM

comment #20

Kakihara says ...

Speaking of Palin, it's funny that no one's noted her reality show got cancelled right after this incident. They're claiming it was in the cards for her 2012 run, but she's got, what, a year left to worry about it?

Posted by Kakihara at January 8, 2011 6:06 PM

comment #21

Rashad says ...

People start gearing up in 2011.

Posted by Rashad at January 8, 2011 6:08 PM

comment #22

Kakihara says ...

Also, if they had no part in the attack, then why did stock up the most on guns and ammo after Obama got elected?

Posted by Kakihara at January 8, 2011 6:08 PM

comment #23

Kakihara says ...

Rashad: True, but usually near the second half of the year preceding the Presidential election.

Posted by Kakihara at January 8, 2011 6:10 PM

comment #24

SolarTheSign says ...

Kakihara, 62Lincoln, Grover, and maybe even you, Wells, in labeling this guy a 'right wing' nutjob'---you are confusing the character with the narrative. This kid is a Travis Bickle class freak with so many crossed wires in his head, it was only a question of when they were going to short out and burn the house down--and when it burned down, how many people would be trapped inside and die. That's the character. His politics are bound to be as scrambled as his obviously disturbed thinking. Truth is, he belongs to the Voices-in-My-Head Party. He's a member of the Monster in My Closet Club. No one with a with a head as disorganized as his could be part of any organization, even one like the NRA, with a reprehensible agenda.

I think where Wells nails it is that the NARRATIVE Palin, and her supporters generate--with cross-hairs over their enemies and the codes of hunting, warring and manning up can be the tripwire for every character with a gun and a screaming need to silence the Voices. And don't even get me started on the war narrative. The war does not end when men who have been in the shit come home. The shit haunts them for the rest of their lives.

Posted by SolarTheSign at January 8, 2011 6:22 PM

comment #25

moviemorlock says ...

Bin Laden didn't fly the planes into the world trade center but we all know who was responsible. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened and Sarah Palin, the tea baggers, and all of fox news should be busy washing blood off their hands tonight. I'm getting sick and tired of the right and their BS. The atmosphere of fear they are creating is Nazi Germany--no doubt about it.

Posted by moviemorlock at January 8, 2011 6:24 PM

comment #26

Mr. F. says ...

The real tragedy in all of this would be if any tighter gun control laws are passed. I mean, if lunatics and schizophrenics aren't able to get guns like this guy did, and use them to murder innocent people... what kind of America would be living in?

Posted by Mr. F. at January 8, 2011 6:26 PM

comment #27

actionlover says ...

It disgusts me that some of you are trying to piss all over Jeffrey's honest attempt to justifiably use this tragedy to make partisan political points. The guy who did the shooting never would have hurt a fly if it weren't for teabagging, Faux Noise-watching, Palin-supporting right-wing thugs. Glen Beck should be arrested as an accessory to murder for this.

The shooter's no better than ANYONE else attending a teabagger rally or voting for McCain.

Posted by actionlover at January 8, 2011 6:30 PM

comment #28

Mr. F. says ...

Good news: House leadership tonight announced they would postpone all votes over the next week... so there will be no action from Republicans to repeal Mitt Romney's -- I mean, Barack Obama's -- corrupt, socialist, rammed-down-our-throats health care plan... until the following week.

Posted by Mr. F. at January 8, 2011 6:36 PM

comment #29

Rashad says ...

I guess it's better to gleefully wish harm on Wall Street brokers

Posted by Rashad at January 8, 2011 6:36 PM

comment #30

dogcatcher says ...

It never ceases to amaze me how deezee can conflate issues in a discussion that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

He almost never brings anything intelligent to a discussion.

Posted by dogcatcher at January 8, 2011 6:44 PM

comment #31

dogcatcher says ...

actionlover,

I'm just not sure that this guy is actually a Palin-loving teabagger yet. If he actually turns out to be, then, yes, I believe she and Beck and all of those idiots deserve some blame. How could they not?

These people are so irresponsible with their rhetoric that they actually talk about shooting people. How many "intelligent" or "mainstream" conservatives have now made some sort of snide comment about the need to shoot and kill Obama? Or Palin's use of crosshairs to "mark" various political opponents, including the one who was just shot in the head? Or Sean Hannity praising one of his audiences as "little McVeighs?" Or any of the crazy shit that Beck says?

Why then, if this turns out to be one of these types of idiots, would it surprise you that one such person - with nothing to lose - would take up this cause and actually shoot to kill one of these people they believe is destroying their country?

Posted by dogcatcher at January 8, 2011 6:54 PM

comment #32

actionlover says ...

Glen Beck said that he "hopes somebody shoots an Arizona congressperson". Sarah Palin actually sent out a campaign leaflet to her teabagger supporters that said "Gabrielle Giffords is not only wrong for Arizona, she needs a bullet to the head".
How can anyone NOT say that those rightwing nut-jobs aren't responsible for this?
You can practically see the people over at Faux high-fiving each other over this tragic event. Makes me sick.

Posted by actionlover at January 8, 2011 6:59 PM

comment #33

K. Bowen says ...

He lists The Communist Manifesto as one of his favorite books. It's not like he's reading Ayn Rand.

Posted by K. Bowen at January 8, 2011 7:08 PM

comment #34

Rashad says ...

I can read Mein Kamf, but it doesn't make me a Nazi

Posted by Rashad at January 8, 2011 7:15 PM

comment #35

Sams says ...

As the sheriff said, mentally unbalanced people are the most susceptible to vitriol. His actions don't have to follow a logical pattern. But you have a nut who can legally purchase a semi-automatic itching to commit some form of violence and you have people irresponsibly using inflammatory language and you have this tragedy.

Posted by Sams at January 8, 2011 7:17 PM

comment #36

filmsofdusts says ...

The shooter is leftwing: http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

Posted by filmsofdusts at January 8, 2011 7:40 PM

comment #37

dogcatcher says ...

actionlover be obtuse if you must, i'm okay with anything that makes you feel better about yourself. I don't think anyone is high-fiving each other. What i'm saying is that the rhetoric these people use have consequences. When you talk about shooting people, and someone gets shot, you are partly to blame even if you have nothing to do with that person.

Here's an idea: how about you tell your leaders/TV personalities to stop talking about shooting people they don't agree with.

K. Bowen, one of the books he cited as his favorites was written by Ayr Rand.

Posted by dogcatcher at January 8, 2011 7:55 PM

comment #38

dogcatcher says ...

filmsofdust, that's just sad. First, you don't even know that this was written by the same person. Second, the term "dead to me" is common to refer to someone you want "nothing to do with" and has nothing to do with actual murder.

Posted by dogcatcher at January 8, 2011 7:58 PM

comment #39

THE MovieBob says ...

@K. Bowen,

Actually, "We The Living" was on his list, too. That's Ayn Rand's first book.

His "reading list" is actually a pretty standard roster for Junior League Paranoids - Marx, Orwell, Rand, Huxley etc. aren't ideological soulmates, but their consistent theme of oppression by all-powerful entities with unearned power and influence is mana to folks who already feel like the world is out to get them. In fact, he probably has the same basic psychosis that Beck et al does, whether he's a "fan" or not.

Posted by THE MovieBob at January 8, 2011 8:21 PM

comment #40

Chauncey says ...

"You can practically see the people over at Faux high-fiving each other over this tragic event. Makes me sick."

God is not on our side 'cause he hates idiots also.

Posted by Chauncey at January 8, 2011 8:25 PM

comment #41

Kakihara says ...

Solar: "No one with a with a head as disorganized as his could be part of any organization, even one like the NRA, with a reprehensible agenda."

Perhaps, but the NRA helped give him a push in its direction.

Mr. F: I'd rather the House do something useful like bring back the '94 assault rifle law with a closed gun show loophole this time. Because you never know if a copy-cat thug won't just try to do the same thing before that week's up. Plus, it'd be nice if the Repugs apologized for enabling this kind of behavior, but then that would also mean admitting being wrong about everything since-I dunno-Clinton's impeachment.

dogcatcher: "It never ceases to amaze me how deezee can conflate issues in a discussion that have absolutely nothing to do with each other."

Sure, they don't.

Posted by Kakihara at January 8, 2011 9:46 PM

comment #42

Chauncey says ...

You see? You see? Your stupid minds. Stupid! Stupid!

Posted by Chauncey at January 8, 2011 9:55 PM

comment #43

Mgmax, le Corbeau says ...

Too easy:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

This may not be the dumbest political thread in H-E history, but it's up there.

Posted by Mgmax, le Corbeau at January 8, 2011 10:11 PM

comment #44

Chauncey says ...

Shut your face, chicken-shit! You in big trouble, boy.

Posted by Chauncey at January 8, 2011 10:27 PM

comment #45

dkaye says ...

The guy was clearly disturbed to begin with, but his screeds ran somewhat more to the radical right-wing way of thinking about things...he was anti-government, blathered on about gold and silver, thought the current government was trying to control us through grammar...these are all talking points on the far right end of the spectrum. I believe he might have been anti-choice as well.

But we've all seen the anger at those Tea Party rallies, the racist signs about the President...there was even a guy walking around outside a health reform town hall meeting in 2009 with a rifle (in Arizona, by the way, which is quickly becoming just a pit of barbarism). Combine that with all the deliberately hateful rhetoric and lies coming from people like Palin, Beck, Bachman, etc. and you don't have to make too much of a stretch to see where it all leads.

Is there nasty rhetoric on the left? Sure. But it's far outweighed by the vitriol coming from the right, and it doesn't have enablers with the reach of Limbaugh, Beck and the entire Fox GOP Propaganda Channel.

Posted by dkaye at January 8, 2011 11:23 PM

comment #46

Rashad says ...

You people are ridiculous.

Posted by Rashad at January 9, 2011 1:21 AM

comment #47

Movie Watcher says ...

I hope Rep. Giffords and the the others make a full recovery. I can't imagine the agony the families of the victims are going through. Over the next few days, let's see how Fox News/Talk radio react to this. Will anyone in congress have the guts to talk about gun control, of any kind? I can imagine the NRA is firing up the propaganda machine.

Posted by Movie Watcher at January 9, 2011 1:56 AM

comment #48

Fortunesfool says ...

If we can just get everyone in the to understand this simple little thing - God did not create Man, Man created God - then so much violence and hatred could be ended. But no, you have people using 'God' as a political tool - and this is what happens. It's mind-boggling that the US is still a massive world power.

Posted by Fortunesfool at January 9, 2011 2:02 AM

comment #49

Fortunesfool says ...

'everyone in the world' that should read, sorry.

Posted by Fortunesfool at January 9, 2011 2:04 AM

comment #50

JR says ...

Actionlover:

Citation from a legit source, please, for this:

"Glen Beck said that he "hopes somebody shoots an Arizona congressperson". Sarah Palin actually sent out a campaign leaflet to her teabagger supporters that said "Gabrielle Giffords is not only wrong for Arizona, she needs a bullet to the head". "

Posted by JR at January 9, 2011 4:09 AM

comment #51

Jeffrey Wells says ...

From 1.8 N.Y. Times profile of Loughner:

"Don Coorough, 58, who sat two desks in front of Mr. Loughner in a poetry class last semester, described him as a 'troubled young man' and 'emotionally underdeveloped.' After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a 'terrorist for killing the baby.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?_r=1&hp

Posted by Jeffrey Wells at January 9, 2011 5:51 AM

comment #52

austin111 says ...

Palin is, as the generally astute Bill Maher has pointed out on numerous occasions, mean-spirited. She reminds me of Andy Griffith in that movie about an intellectually challenged folksy guy who suddenly finds he has hit a chord with the "common folk" and rapidly becomes a megalomaniacal jerk, so full of himself that nothing and no one else seem to matter. The question is what will it take for those ordinary Americans, who seem to have latched onto her destructive message, to understand that her only real interest is Sarah Palin and her disproportionate ego is bolstered by their dog like worship at her feet.

Posted by austin111 at January 9, 2011 7:06 AM

comment #53

Chauncey says ...

"After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a 'terrorist for killing the baby.'"

If you listen carefully to that passage you can actually hear circuits blowing in the minds of the writers.

And no one really cares if Sarah Palin is "mean-spirited". Certainly not Bill Maher, of all people. Being mean-spirited is fine, as long as you're mean-spirited toward the right people. Then you're actually being compassionate, and, you know, sorta cool.

Some people have no sense of perspective.

Posted by Chauncey at January 9, 2011 7:44 AM

comment #54

Chauncey says ...

Pardon me while I take a break from movie quotes. This situation seems to warrant it.

Posted by Chauncey at January 9, 2011 7:45 AM

comment #55

Observer44 says ...

Right wing...Left wing. It appears that he is obviously a confused young adult looking to make a name for himself and find acceptace along the way. He found it in the tea parties rantings and pushings to target and kill. How can that be mistaken? Thanks Jeff for archieving and submitting such pertinent information.

Posted by Observer44 at January 9, 2011 9:13 AM

comment #56

bents75 says ...

This Chauncey character, who I've never seen post comments about anything movie related before and conveniently came out of nowhere this weekend just to stir the pot and comment on every single post as if we were all holding our breath for his input, strikes me as someone who is a tad imbalanced himself.

It makes for real awkward reading.

Posted by bents75 at January 9, 2011 9:31 AM

comment #57

Chauncey says ...

"This Chauncey character, who I've never seen post comments about anything movie related before..."

That hurts.

Posted by Chauncey at January 9, 2011 9:44 AM

comment #58

Parris Mitchell says ...

I live in a country where even sports handguns are now banned, so can only send my deepest condolences to American friends when these awful events happen. (Not that these outbursts are confined to the US)

I agree with the sensible input to this thread that this nutcase's political affiliation is a red herring.

However, his obviously unstable scattershot and politically ill-defined worldview does not let these extreme "tea party" fools off the hook.

The Demoncratic and Republican parties are honourable insitutions, which, at their best, light the beacon for every other democracy on the planet.

I think Jeff in post #4 and THE MovieBob in post #8 said it best.

When people with public influence cynically create an environment where extreme emotion is actively encouraged, nutcases like this guy will align themselves with the loudest voices they hear.

Time for the mainstream media to recognise their part in it all too. THey all need to stand up and be counted - apply pressure on every politician in America to reflect on events and modify their rhetoric.

Posted by Parris Mitchell at January 9, 2011 11:32 AM

comment #59

poseidon72 says ...

Im driving to work today and put on WABC on the radio out of NYC.The host builds himself as an investigative journalist. What was he talking about- That Obama has never shown his real birth certificate. Callers are calling in agreeing and honestly I wanted to vomit. WABC is a powerful station. They are clearly being irresponsible having this host and his insigtful bullshit on the air. This is not the country I grew up in. Im 45 and wasnt taught to hate our govt. Palins whole sctick is this shit. People need to get laid more or do something were your not so bitter and angry at everything.

Posted by poseidon72 at January 9, 2011 5:40 PM

comment #60