Dances With Werewolves

The reason The Lone Ranger's budget was so astronomically high that Disney execs decided to shut it down was because it's an effects-heavy CG thing due to being a kind of an Indian-spirituality werewolf movie -- a.k.a., The Lone Ranger Meets the Wolfman. Yes, I'm serious. A 3.29.09 draft of Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio's script makes it clear it was going to be at least partly about some kind of Native American wolfbeast tearing victims apart and leaving a bloody mess.


Don't take my word for it -- look at the below photo capture of page 61 of Elliott and Rossio's draft.

"It was always going to be a big Bruckheimer CG movie with traditional Bruckheimer elements with an eye toward being a tentpole, totally Pirates-style," says a gadfly screenwriter who always hears stuff and has been following the project through postings on writersactionbss.com -- a private writers' website that Elliott has posted on.

"It was never going to be a semi-traditional western...it was never going to be Zorro," he says.

"It was going to be a Tonto show mainly. Tonto as the top dog and more dominant than the Lone Ranger. Tonto and the Indian spirits like Obi Wan Kenobi and the force. The driving engine was going to be Native American occult aspects worked in with werewolves and special effects. But flavored with doses of Native American spirituality in a serious way.

"But then Cowboys & Aliens came along and tanked and Disney got cold tenderfeet, spooked by the idea of a pricey mashup. If Cowboys & Aliens had made $200 million, this wouldn't be happening. A Bruckheimer-style western in the wake of Cowboys & Aliens is nothing anyone is feeling secure about at this stage. Trust me, the writers of tentpole garbage are all scared now."

The success of Rise of the Planets of the Apes with its relatively low cost (at least compared to The Lone Ranger) and no big stars has also colored the mentality out there, I'm hearing. Who needs big payday players? Studios do, obviously, but they'd love to get rid of them. Because they want bigger profit margins. Simple.


The most interesting angle for me is the story about Depp taking the Native American spiritual stuff seriously, and how he didn't want to camp it up like Captain Jack. He wants his role to honor Native American culture and its spiritual foundations.

"Depp's interest in playing Tonto is about fulfilling his Marlon Brando legacy," the director-writer believes. "Deep is partly Native American himself and he was partly mentored by Brando, who was a big Indians' rights advocate. So he didn't want to do any kind of jaunty performance that plays it light and spoofy with the Native American thing. No Captain Jack crap this time around."

Justin Haythe was the latest Lone Ranger screenwriter. His Revolutonary Road work suggests be was brought in to class things up a bit and perhaps raise the solemnity levels.

But the film was always going to have a theme that could be summed up as "Tonto knows best."

Almost three years ago on writeractionbbs.com, Ted Elliott was asked who will be playing the Lone Ranger, and without posting his exact quote he said that while the Lone Ranger character is the lead, any actor might be concerned about Tonto's character overshadowing the Ranger's, given the casting.

Which is why the up-and-coming but new-to-the-game Armie Hammer was a perfect fit as The Lone Ranger.


It wouldn't be out of character for nervous-nelly Disney executives, prior to the shutdown, to be concerned about Quentin Tarantino's forthcoming Django Unchained, a totally flip, revisionist and goofy-ass downmarket western with Kevin Costner as a villain, and on the other hand you have Depp as Tonto playing it more or less straight....how would that shake out as they opened more or less in the same time period?

Posted by Jeffrey Wells on August 13, 2011 at 11:23 AM

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Rashad Author Profile Page says ...

I do think they'll end up making it. At least I hope so. I'm curious to see if Hammer can be consistently as good as he was in Social Network.

Posted by Rashad Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:32 PM

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Jeffrey Wells Author Profile Page says ...

What's wrong with you? Did you read the story I just posted? You're wondering "if Hammer can be consistently as good as he was in Social Network" in this thing?

Posted by Jeffrey Wells Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:38 PM

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actionlover Author Profile Page says ...

Really, Rashad? You HOPE they end up making it?


God I wish I were 16 again. I'd be loving all these bullshit movies instead of avoiding them. ("'Green Hornet' was AWESOME! I fucking LOVE CGI!")

Posted by actionlover Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:40 PM

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Savage Brit Author Profile Page says ...

For a private message site, that seems very public.

Posted by Savage Brit Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:43 PM

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BobbyLupo Author Profile Page says ...

"Did you read the story I just posted?"

It's Rashad. Of course he doesn't read stuff before posting. I'm surprised he even got the right movie -- that's pretty significantly on-topic for him.

Posted by BobbyLupo Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:43 PM

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PastePotPete Author Profile Page says ...

I didn't really care to see this Lone Ranger movie(or any Lone Ranger movie, frankly) but the studio "this movie failed so all similar movies must DIE" mentality is tiresome. Cowboys & Aliens flopped because it didn't look good in the trailers, and ended up being WORSE in actuality, imo.

It was generic pap that was entirely sold on the supposed cleverness of the title. It smelled so much like a total paycheck movie for everyone involved that it even permeated down to the joe popcorn level. It was the Poseidon of Summer 2011.

Posted by PastePotPete Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:44 PM

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Rashad Author Profile Page says ...

I'm not 16, but I'm a big Verbinski fan. I want an adventure film from him, and this sounded fun. (And he's still in that Western frame of mind from Rango)

And yes, I want to see Hammer across big heavyweights and see how he does. I doubt the dialogue in this movie would have been much different than his Karate Kid witty referencing self in Social Network. (With the gay angle in Hoover, I'm not as interested as I was before, but still intrigued.)

Posted by Rashad Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:46 PM

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BobbyLupo Author Profile Page says ...

"It was generic pap that was entirely sold on the supposed cleverness of the title."

To be fair, I would *totally* see a movie called 'Dances With Werewolves'. Kudos to Jeff for a genuinely clever title.

Posted by BobbyLupo Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:46 PM

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Krillian Author Profile Page says ...

Wow. Wow. What a colossally bad idea. Thank goodness we've been spared the comparisons to Twilight and Red Riding Hood.

It's like they write the action sequences first, and then try to figure out a movie to wrap around them.

Posted by Krillian Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 1:58 PM

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HoopersX Author Profile Page says ...

Cowboy's and Aliens = 2011 Snakes on a Plane.

When I heard about a new Lone Ranger movie, I thought "why". Even with Depp, it's nothing I was really interested in watching(I gave up on the Pirates movies after 3, he can only carry so much of a movie). Then when I read the report that they had shutdown the movie last night and saw that $200-$250 million price tag, but before Jeff's story about werewolves, I couldn't imagine how a Lone Ranger movie could cost that much. Now we know, it was Bruckheimered!

Does Disney own some kind of rights to Lone Ranger, like Sony with Spidey and Fox with X-Men, where if they don't make a movie soon they will lose the rights? Otherwise, why even call this abortion The Lone Ranger? I doubt TLR has a huge built in audience.... No more than Jeff's idea would draw.

Posted by HoopersX Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:19 PM

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Thx-1139 Author Profile Page says ...

From everything described, this sounds like exactly the wrong direction for a Lone Ranger movie.

Who's the target audience for a movie called "The Lone Ranger" in which the title character is second fiddle to his partner and where they fight werewolves? It's not for people who like westerns, it's not people who like the title character, that's for sure.

This is like making a a film called "Batman" in which Robin is the main guy and the villain is Frankenstein's monster.

The character is Batman in the old west -- a vigilante with a moral compass. Perfect for a modern audience. So why not make it a REAL western ... grounded? The 1980 film was bad but tonally in the right direction for the character.

Posted by Thx-1139 Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:27 PM

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Savage Brit Author Profile Page says ...

Forgive me for saying this, but I enjoyed RANGO and Depp is more often wonderful than not. This sounded like a decent, entertaining way to bring a Lone Ranger film to the screen that I would go and see. I hope it still happens as the director has a gift and maybe this could have been fun like the first PIRATES.

Posted by Savage Brit Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:28 PM

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Kakihara Author Profile Page says ...

actionlover: Green Hornet was always a weak concept. That's why people talk about Batman and not it.

Krillian: Though it would've been Twilight without the emo twats, so I'd pay for it.

Posted by Kakihara Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:45 PM

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THE MovieBob Author Profile Page says ...

The whole pitch - right down to Tonto being the 'real' badass, the "Indians know the REAL score, white man is clueless" and the shamanistic magic angle sound like they basically lifted the plot of "Brotherhood of The Wolf" - which VERY self-consciously borrowed the Ranger/Tonto setup for it's white-hero/indian-sidekick guys - and reverse-engineered it BACK into a "Lone Ranger" script. Amazing.

Posted by THE MovieBob Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:52 PM

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streeter Author Profile Page says ...

Disappointment turns into relief. We've been spared! What a stupid movie this would have been.

Posted by streeter Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:53 PM

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great scott Author Profile Page says ...

I'd have rather seen this than another Austin Powers movie. Myers couldn't leave well enough alone, I guess.

Posted by great scott Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 2:58 PM

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Eloi Wrath Author Profile Page says ...

Why the hell would Depp pick The Lone Ranger as his chance to honor his Native American heritage? Couldn't he just throw some cash at some screenwriters to make him an original story in which he plays a bad-ass Indian wolf-hunter?

Posted by Eloi Wrath Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 3:07 PM

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actionlover Author Profile Page says ...

FACT: (according to me, at least) About 14% of people who claim to be part Native American are part Native American.


Gawd, if I had a dime for every Hollywood chick who claimed to be part (name of currently hip Nation) Indian I could bankroll a Bruckheimer movie.

Posted by actionlover Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 3:16 PM

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Carl LaFong Author Profile Page says ...

Whole thing sounded like an overpriced Western remake of "Le Pact Des Loups". Good riddance.

How about a remake of "Fiend Who Walked the West" instead? Is Bob Evans busy?

Posted by Carl LaFong Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 3:46 PM

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Jeffrey Wells Author Profile Page says ...

Wells to Eloi Wrath: Why? Because his name is Johnny Payday, that's why.

Posted by Jeffrey Wells Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 3:54 PM

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Rashad Author Profile Page says ...

That would make sense, if The Lone Ranger was actually a popular character.

Posted by Rashad Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 4:04 PM

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Cadavra Author Profile Page says ...

"This is like making a a film called "Batman" in which Robin is the main guy"

Or a film called "The Green Hornet" in which Kato does all the work while the Hornet just stands around and gets drunk. Oh, wait a minute...

Posted by Cadavra Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 4:13 PM

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George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

They would do better if they remade BILLY THE KID VS. DRACULA or JESSE JAMES MEETS FRANKENSTEIN'S DAUGHTER.

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 4:13 PM

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George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

"(With the gay angle in Hoover, I'm not as interested as I was before, but still intrigued.)"

That's like saying: (With the Sicilian angle in Godfather, I'm not as interested as I was before, but still intrigued.)

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 4:18 PM

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Rashad Author Profile Page says ...

No it isn't. A movie hinting Hoover's gayness is one thing. Saying that it was the main driving force of his political career, is an entire matter

Posted by Rashad Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 4:29 PM

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Sams Author Profile Page says ...

f this was the concept from the start, I don't even understand why Disney tentatively approved it. This is more Sorcerer's Apprentice than Pirates and would probably have similar returns. Depp playing it straight doesn't sell as many tickets as Depp goofing it in makeup. It isn't so much the genre since True Grit did quite well but the quality and appeal of the story.

Posted by Sams Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 4:34 PM

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arispil Author Profile Page says ...

Rossie and Elliott are one every newbie assistant's list of go-to writers, even if they started working a week ago. They've been on every single BS list since i worked out there in 2000. They struck it big with a cartoon and a theme park franchise. Someone figured out it's not just about the names. Stick a fork in these guys man.

Posted by arispil Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 5:48 PM

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George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

So what would be the point of a Hoover movie then? To watch the changes in men's fashions between 1930 and 1970?

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 5:51 PM

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Savage Brit Author Profile Page says ...

arispil

I thought it was common knowledge that Rossie and Elliot were no longer a team and haven't been for a while. What does this have to do with the skyrocketed budget for the film and the studio calling a halt? Please explain.

Posted by Savage Brit Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 6:18 PM

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moviemaniac2002 Author Profile Page says ...

Presumably, Klinton Spillsbury must have silently chuckled as he flipped the burger's at Wendy's

Posted by moviemaniac2002 Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 6:40 PM

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 7:04 PM

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BobbyLupo Author Profile Page says ...

"I doubt TLR has a huge built in audience.... No more than Jeff's idea would draw."

They don't make a movie out of 'The Lone Ranger' because it in and of itself has a big draw. But it does have a specific draw that this sort of movie doesn't automatically -- or even often -- have. Older people tend not to see these sorts of movies, but would have some interest in 'The Lone Ranger'. Thus, by Hollywood logic, they've got one of the "quadrants" locked in, and it's one that will see movies at weird times that won't normally sell out and, thus, the old people won't interfere with the potential younger audience.

I'm not saying they're right, but it's pretty simple logic.

Posted by BobbyLupo Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 8:27 PM

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Cadavra Author Profile Page says ...

But even I know that you don't spend $250 million on a picture targeting baby boomers.

Posted by Cadavra Author Profile Page at August 13, 2011 9:59 PM

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Sams Author Profile Page says ...

A report announcing the cancellation of the casting call cites Verbinski's refusal to agree to a budget cap. http://www.examiner.com/acting-auditions-in-los-angeles/open-casting-call-for-disney-film-lone-ranger-starring-johnny-depp-cancelled

Posted by Sams Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 4:56 AM

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CitizenKaned4Life Author Profile Page says ...

"I'm not 16, but I'm a big Verbinski fan."

I think you were better off lying about your age.

Listen, I know Rango's gotten a lot of good ink/reviews (myself, I found it sloppy and uninspired), but it's a bad sign when movie fans are pointing to GV as this modern-day mainstream American auteur.

Look over his filmography again: three soulless entries in a completely forgettable franchise, a remake of a gimmicky J-horror flick, a wildly-overpraised Nic Cage project that feels like it's a low-key writer-director project, and a picture that has Nathan Lane and a mouse mugging for screen time.

I'm honestly not trying to throw this guy under the bus or anything (he's far too bland for me to hate), but I just feel like his role in modern cinema is completely mischaracterized. You can usually glean an auteur's personality/life philosophy from watching five random minutes of their work. Verbinski has more than a half-dozen complete movies to his name now, and I still have no idea who he really is.

He's more like the Millennials' poor man's version of Andrew Davis -- and before you cry foul, let's not forget the latter had the underrated 1-2-3 punch of The Package, Under Siege, The Fugitive that made him an elite hired-gun mercenary back in the early-mid '90s.

Attempting to put this milquetoast guy in the same conversation as PT Anderson, Tarantino, Noe, et. al -- let alone the classic masters like Kubrick, Fellini, Kurosawa -- is just wrong, wrong, so very wrong.

Posted by CitizenKaned4Life Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 5:29 AM

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Rashad Author Profile Page says ...

Who the fuck is putting him with Tarantino? Who is even bringing up the pompous "auteur" label either? Why don't you just watch the movies instead of trying to psycho-analyze someone you will never meet because he made a chameleon a cowboy. There's nothing soulless about his Pirates films, especially the first two, which are about as fun as adventure films can get. The Ring was a great horror movie, never seen Weather Man.

Mousehunt is a funny slapstick comedy. It's a live action Looney Tunes movie, and it does it better than Ratatouille which has the worst comedy of Pixar's films.

Posted by Rashad Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 1:22 PM

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Hollie Author Profile Page says ...

I was skeptiical about TLR even before the sciffi stuff surfaced. At least the werewolf aspect made it quite different from the source material. But a $200 mil price tag? That alone was probably good reason to axe it, but perhaps Depp also said "no" to Pirates 5?

Posted by Hollie Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 2:09 PM

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Baron Munchausen-by-Proxy Author Profile Page says ...

Oh, Rashad, why do you always get so bitter when folks bother to analyze *what you actually say*.....

"I'm a big Verbinski fan. I want an adventure film from him, and this sounded fun."

YOU'RE the one "auteuring" GV.

"...instead of trying to psycho-analyze someone you will never meet because he made a chameleon a cowboy. "

Where does CK4L even *do* this above?

" There's nothing soulless about his Pirates films, especially the first two, which are about as fun as adventure films can get. The Ring was a great horror movie, never seen Weather Man."

The POTC films are as mechanically "fun" as the rides from which the were derived via the Disney DevelopmentBot 3000 (TM); the Ring was more soulless and less creepy and dreadfilled than its original.

And htf does a "Verbinski fan" sit out a film of his fave director from 6 years ago?

"Mousehunt is a funny slapstick comedy. It's a live action Looney Tunes movie, and it does it better than Ratatouille which has the worst comedy of Pixar's films. "

God, the lengths some people will go to when their quiver's empty.

"That would make sense, if The Lone Ranger was actually a popular character."

This one may be more "ignorant" than "stupid", so I'll try:

TLR is not currently 'popular'. But it IS very much in the "public consciousness", and on an international basis, which is certainly nothing to sneeze at. And there are not many such "characters" currently being cinematically unexploited left.

What I mean is: a youngster like you, Rashad, doesn't even have to look TLR & Tonto up on google or wikipedia to know who they are. All it takes is a current incarnation on tv or in the movies to make the public "immediately aware" of them, and a successful one to make them "popular". He was "popular" on radio, and then "popular" to a later generation in films.

[To give you a 'closer' example: the Transformer toys were not "popular" when the film franchised was launched... and the cheap television cartoons which essentially advertised the toys had stopped production long before you were born. However, the children who had played with the toys and seen the show now, 20 years later, had children of their own, and the property "Transformers" was in the "public consciousness". It took a successful film franchise to make that property "popular" again.]

And Jeff is right on: a studio will ALWAYS risk far bigger money and fatter star paychecks on a KNOWN property (x200% if they already own or have a stake in the property) than they will on an original, new, untested property. Even if the property is not currently "popular". That's for the marketing department to deal with.

Posted by Baron Munchausen-by-Proxy Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 5:49 PM

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Rashad Author Profile Page says ...

So I can't say I'm a fan of someone with "auteruing" them? That's laughable, even for you. Who even cares if a director is an auteur or not? Does it make them any better? It's pseudo-intellectual bullshit. I care more about the film itself than what I can learn about a director from watching it.

Where does CK4L even *do* this above?

Um:
You can usually glean an auteur's personality/life philosophy from watching five random minutes of their work. Verbinski has more than a half-dozen complete movies to his name now, and I still have no idea who he really is.

God, the lengths some people will go to when their quiver's empty.

Not only did Pixar take the rodent longing for a different life from this movie, they took the chef relationship as well. (And giving their and Disney's history, stealing isn't they're above.) The slapstick here was a lot funnier than Remy controlling a guy's by his hair.

As for the rest, there's no point in even discussing with you.

Posted by Rashad Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 6:20 PM

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The Lady Ranger Author Profile Page says ...

While it's true that younger audiences are not very familiar with the Masked Man and Tonto, it's also true that most do not "have to look TLR & Tonto up on google or wikipedia to know who they are."

What most people are unaware of is how HUGELY successful and popular The Lone Ranger and Tonto were for decades. They made the original franchise owners multi-millionaires at a time when a million dollars was really big money.

The original radio show was the top radio adventure/drama for over 20 years, and would have lasted even longer, if the era of radio drama had lasted longer.

In 1949, The Lone Ranger TV show was the first Western filmed for the infant television industry and the first ever television show to go into syndication.

What's more, it has never been OUT of syndication in all the decades that have followed.

If TPTB are out to make money, they should go back to the seminal version of the characters, the radio show, and try to figure out what elements made it the mega-hit it was in the first place.

Call me naive, but I doubt it was so popular and lucrative because it was about an "empty shirt", crazy fool and his "brains behind the legend" sidekick.

But if Disney does not care about the longevity and profitability of the franchise, then they should go right on trying to reinvent the wheel by adding corners to it.

Posted by The Lady Ranger Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 8:23 PM

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The Lady Ranger Author Profile Page says ...

Oh yeah - and I forgot to mention all the profits from the MERCHANDIZING of this heroic fantasy, over all those decades.

Posted by The Lady Ranger Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 8:29 PM

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Baron Munchausen-by-Proxy Author Profile Page says ...

"As for the rest, there's no point in even discussing with you. "

That's what *I* thought. You just don't know how to use or understand "words", as I see from your response.

Please go back to /film.

Posted by Baron Munchausen-by-Proxy Author Profile Page at August 14, 2011 11:45 PM

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Lavlas Author Profile Page says ...

I didn't really care to see this Lone Ranger movie(or any Lone Ranger movie, frankly) but the studio "this movie failed so all similar movies must DIE" mentality is tiresome. Cowboys & Aliens flopped because it didn't look good in the trailers, and ended up being WORSE in actuality, imo.
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It was generic pap that was entirely sold on the supposed cleverness of the title. It smelled so much like a total paycheck movie for everyone involved that it even permeated down to the joe popcorn level. It was the Poseidon of Summer 2011.

Posted by Lavlas Author Profile Page at November 11, 2011 9:49 AM

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dejan001 Author Profile Page says ...

Then when I read the report that they had shutdown the movie last night and saw that $200-$250 million price tag, but before Jeff's story about werewolves, I couldn't imagine how a Lone Ranger movie could cost that much. Now we know, it was Bruckheimered!

Does Disney own some kind of rights to Lone Ranger, like Sony with Spidey and Fox with X-Men, where if they don't make a movie soon they will lose the rights? Otherwise, why even call this abortion The Lone Ranger? I doubt TLR has a huge built in audience.... No more than Jeff's idea would draw.
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Posted by dejan001 Author Profile Page at November 23, 2011 9:25 AM

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Mr.Dee Author Profile Page says ...

Look over his filmography again: three soulless entries in a completely forgettable franchise, a remake of a gimmicky J-horror flick, a wildly-overpraised Nic Cage project that feels like it's a low-key writer-director project, and a picture that has Nathan Lane and a mouse mugging for screen time.

I'm honestly not trying to throw this guy under the bus or anything (he's far too bland for me to hate), but I just feel like his role in modern cinema is completely mischaracterized. You can usually glean an auteur's personality/life philosophy from watching five random minutes of their work. Verbinski has more than a half-dozen complete movies to his name now, and I still have no idea who he really is.

He's more like the Millennials' poor man's version of Andrew Davis -- and before you cry foul, let's not forget the latter had the underrated 1-2-3 punch of The Package, Under Siege, The Fugitive that made him an elite hired-gun mercenary back in the early-mid '90s.

Attempting to put this milquetoast guy in the same conversation as PT Anderson, Tarantino, Noe, et. al -- let alone the classic masters like Kubrick, Fellini, Kurosawa -- is just wrong, wrong, so very wrong. real estate | Rick Flanigan

Posted by Mr.Dee Author Profile Page at November 26, 2011 11:32 PM

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Franco Copola Author Profile Page says ...

I didn't really care to see this Lone Ranger movie(or any Lone Ranger movie, frankly) but the studio "this movie failed so all similar movies must DIE" mentality is tiresome. Cowboys & Aliens flopped because it didn't look good in the trailers, and ended up being WORSE in actuality, imo.

It was generic pap that was entirely sold on the supposed cleverness of the title. It smelled so much like a total paycheck movie for everyone involved that it even permeated down to the joe popcorn level. It was the Poseidon of Summer 2011.
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Franco Copola Author Profile Page says ...

I didn't really care to see this Lone Ranger movie(or any Lone Ranger movie, frankly) but the studio "this movie failed so all similar movies must DIE" mentality is tiresome. Cowboys & Aliens flopped because it didn't look good in the trailers, and ended up being WORSE in actuality, imo. Symptoms of Asthma | Portland florists | no no hair removal 8800 It was generic pap that was entirely sold on the supposed cleverness of the title. It smelled so much like a total paycheck movie for everyone involved that it even permeated down to the joe popcorn level. It was the Poseidon of Summer 2011.


It was generic pap that was entirely sold on the supposed cleverness of the title. It smelled so much like a total paycheck movie for everyone involved that it even permeated down to the joe popcorn level. It was the Poseidon of Summer 2011.

Posted by Franco Copola Author Profile Page at December 30, 2011 3:33 PM

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Brad Author Profile Page says ...

God, the lengths some people will go to when their quiver's empty.

"That would make sense, if The Lone Ranger was actually a popular character."

This one may be more "ignorant" than "stupid", so I'll try:

TLR is not currently 'popular'. But it IS very much in the "public consciousness", and on an international basis, which is certainly nothing to sneeze at. And there are not many such "characters" currently being cinematically unexploited left.

What I mean is: a youngster like you, Rashad, doesn't even have to look TLR & Tonto up on google or wikipedia to know who they are. All it takes is a current incarnation on tv or in the movies to make the public "immediately aware" of them, and a successful one to make them "popular". He was "popular" on radio, and then "popular" to a later generation in films.

[To give you a 'closer' example: the Transformer toys were not "popular" when the film franchised was launched... and the cheap television cartoons which essentially advertised the toys had stopped production long before you were born. However, the children who had played with the toys and seen the show now, 20 years later, had children of their own, and the property "Transformers" was in the "public consciousness". It took a successful film franchise to make that property "popular" again. Waikiki condos for sale | Payday Loans

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condooms Author Profile Page says ...

I didn't know Johnny Depp was into Native American culture. That shows a whole other side of him. I thought he didn't care what he must play as long as it paid well.

Posted by condooms Author Profile Page at January 9, 2012 9:10 AM

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Lara12 Author Profile Page says ...

Like this movie! All the action and challange given in it!

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Molluscum Contagiosum Treatment Author Profile Page says ...

it didn't look good in the trailers, This sounded like a decent, entertaining way to bring a Lone Ranger film to the screen that I would go and see.

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terrihan Author Profile Page says ...

I like this form of dancing, reminds me of the better days with sunlight, and glass windows, and Egale Windows world while practicing for dance class.

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Carla Brian Author Profile Page says ...

I think this is an interesting movie. I have read its reviews already. - Incredible Discoveries

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Rachel Anderson Author Profile Page says ...

The movie is not that bad. The actors and actresses were good as well. - Paul Perito MD

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