When I first head that Che was going to the subject of Soderberg's Double Album my intital reaction was Who Gives A Fuck. Now, after seeing some stills, and reading a couple of interviews with Del Toro, my subsequent reaction is Who Gives A Fuck. Wake me when it's over.

"lensing" is hip industry jargon for filming or shooting. like how "helmer" is used for "director". Variety.com has a great page of industry jargon that is a fun read.

"best film" or "best screenplay"?

Can't wait. If anybody could make an objective intelligent film about Che, Soderbergh is the one.

If Che were American, (as in United States of), and white we'd be hearing from the usual suspects, (D.Z., christian) about all of the blood on his hands.

But he's a Latino leftist "revolutionary" who looks cool on dorm room posters and t-shirts so we'll instead hear about what a brave, dynamic "hero of the people" he was.

I still can't believe the Mets named their stadium after him.

Stix Nix Hix Pix.

"But he's a Latino leftist "revolutionary" who looks cool on dorm room posters and t-shirts so we'll instead hear about what a brave, dynamic "hero of the people" he was."

Yes Walter you nailed me. That's why I used the word "objective." I'm also wearing my Che shirt and under-roos while typing this under my stock Che poster left over from my Berkeley days.

Of course, I also love PATTON and SECRET HONOR and LAWRENCE OF ARABIA etc, so I guess your point is lost in my hippie haze...

Sobchak: Best Rutles reference of the week!

It's bigger than Rod.

Barrington Womble has my back.

Let's be honest, Walter, the hostility American conservatives feel toward Che -- a Bolivian revolutionary who had very little to do with the United States -- is just as bizarre and out-of-left-field as the dorm-room-poster admiration for him. You are flip sides of the same simple-minded coin.

I mean Argentine... the Bolivia reference in Jeff's post threw me off.

That's just it, JD. The hostility is mostly directed towards the admiration of him. Actually, it's more like bewilderment.

Bewilderment that he could even ride a motorcycle in the jungle.

Whenever someone expresses disdain for all of the college students and other people with Che posters and shirts, I point them to this: http://www.vintagecotton.com/shirt/che_revolution/male - it's also fun to wear because every once in a while, someone will actually tell me who he is. Uhh, yeah, thanks buddy.

The Rutles played at Che Stadium.

ooops. I forgot to add the clip:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uNfa7uf2HWk

I do wish we could back to the good ol days when Jack Palance played Castro and Omar Shariff was Che in a backlot jungle.

Who is this guy, indeed.

It's a mistake to deduce dorm room "admiration" for Che from the presence of posters. In the same way, Cameron Diaz was not knowingly trying to foment revolution in Peru with a Maoist handbag.

Walter: "If Che were American, (as in United States of), and white we'd be hearing from the usual suspects, (D.Z., christian) about all of the blood on his hands."

Yes, why couldn't he be as friendly as our Latin murderers such as Noriega, Pinochet, and Batista?

"But he's a Latino leftist "revolutionary" who looks cool on dorm room posters and t-shirts so we'll instead hear about what a brave, dynamic "hero of the people" he was."

And Thomas Jefferson is considered a cool "freedom fighter" to conservatives, in spite of the fact that he owned slaves and stole land from the Indians.

Shut up, D.Z.

Jay: I would have bought that shirt the first time I saw it, but what's with the question mark? That ruined it for me.

"Lincoln freed the slaves"

You mean the Lincoln who, as a lawyer in Illinois, was once rude to an Irishman and was thought to have not fully appreciated the adorableness of puppies?

D.Z.

"Puppies are cute"

You mean puppies, who eat food created by giant agribusinesses that are ruining the environment squeezing out the family farm are cute?

"...that are ruining the environment.."

You mean the "environment" that creates devastating drought in the Third World and causes deadly hurricanes and typhoons that kill thousands of people in developing countries every year?

-D.Z.

"I eat cute puppies. Choke on that, hippie!"

- Walter Sobchak

Ah, I missed the chance to do my version:

DZ: "Four plus five is eight"
Somebody else: "No, it's nine. You're wrong."
DZ: "I might be wrong but at least I didn't butt-rape a million Sudanese orphans."

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then I guess you've all decided to come out of the closet.

Uh, no. We hate you.

Oh yeah. Christian is excluded from my previous comment.

Face it: every regular on these boards has done a D.Z. parody at one time or another. He's easily the most recognized poster here.

He's famous for not going away. He's Paris Hilton without the money.

He should have his own T-shirt: "God help me, I know who this is!"

"God help me, I know who this is!"

Is that the same "God" that allows earthquakes, plague and "Ugly Betty" to ravage the earth?