Posted by Jeffrey Wells on November 29, 2007 at 11:06 AM
The Hollywood Foreign Press Association's decision to put Charlie Wilson's War, The Savages, Margot at the Wedding, Juno, The Darjeeling Limited, Waitress and Lars and the Real Girl into the comedy/musical category for the Golden Globes Awards is, of course, a bizarre call. Because the HFPA is committed to filling an annual slot of comedy/musical contenders, they seize upon any dramedy they can find and call it a comedy.
The general definition of a dramedy is a drama leavened with humor that is either (a) dry, (b) cryptic, (c) deadpan or (d) acid but almost never out-and-out "funny." Juno is probably the most hah-hah-ish, although it's very much a mainstream dramedy. Charlie Wilson's War is a dramedy with some genuine laughs courtesy of Philip Seymour Hoffman's performance. The Savages isn't even a dramedy -- it's a fairly morose drama about a dying dad and his two semi-miserable middle- aged children embroidered with, okay, some darkly witty dialogue. Lars and the Real Girl is about an absurd situation, but is not a dramedy by any standard I'm aware of. The humor in The Darjeeling Limited is so dry and deadpan it barely qualifies -- I enjoyed the tone but I didn't even chortle. Waitress, I suppose, can be called a kind of dramedy.

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Comments
I really enjoyed Waitress. It's not a masterwork or anything like that but it's freaking perfect for what it is. Keri Russell is so damn cute in it, and Nathan Fillion is terrfic. Love the banter between the two of them. Saw it in the theater with my girlfriend and she just flipped for it so I got her the dvd this past Tuesday and we've been watching it the last few nights. It's a truly fun and enjoyable little movie. And yes, I'd call it a dramedy.
Posted by: actionman
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November 29, 2007 11:55 AM
You're nuts, Jeff. Everyone I know laughed throughout Darjeeling. You genuinely didn't get it, man.
Posted by: JD
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November 29, 2007 12:00 PM
I liked but didn't love Darjeeling, until someone who read my review at my blog sent me a magnificent response...I urge anyone who saw Darjeeling to check this out, whether you liked/loved/hated the film (Wells, check it out, I think you'll find it pretty great). Now, I'm a bigger fan of the film than when I walked out of the Arclight and I can't wait to check it out again.
http://actionman-nickspix.blogspot.com/2007/11/reader-chimes-in.html
Posted by: actionman
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November 29, 2007 12:18 PM
I'm surprised they didn't give anything to Knocked Up.
I don't blame anyone for liking it, but I thought Waitress was a really shoddy piece of work.
Posted by: jeffmcm
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November 29, 2007 12:30 PM
One of the things I love so much about New York is that while I was there I saw DARJEELING with an audience who found it riotous. They were laughing along with it as much as if it were an Apatow comedy. "Look at these assholes" is the best delivered comic line in a movie this year.
Posted by: BurmaShave
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November 29, 2007 12:31 PM
I didn't laugh once. It was about as funny as CHILDREN OF MEN. THE GAME PLAN was funnier.
Posted by: George Prager
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November 29, 2007 12:35 PM
I second Burma's "Look at those assholes" comment.
Posted by: JeffGP
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November 29, 2007 12:37 PM
a-man, can you please paraphrase it. Nothing like a non-pro pointing to a non-pro. I thought the movie was about universal McMysticalism.
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 29, 2007 12:39 PM
as a member of one of those nyc darjeeling audiences, i laughed more at breaking the waves and the virgin spring combined than I did during that screening. ditto the audience i was with... and i dont think my killjoy spirit was THAT contagious.
Posted by: Aguirre
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November 29, 2007 12:40 PM
Good point, Burma. That is an indisputably hilarious line and it manages to actually have sensitive resonance, given the events that follow. The movie really is a study in contrasts -- young vs. old, American vs. Indian, spiritual vs. mundane, depressed vs. enlightened -- and all of these contrasts are used to generate subtle, insightful comic hilarity.
Posted by: JD
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November 29, 2007 12:40 PM
There was so much riotous laughter at No Country, lines were getting stepped on.
Most importantly, how did Wells get this list; does he have an open vein being fed?
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 29, 2007 12:45 PM
JD... your most recent comment was very interesting and might lead me to giving the flick a second look, particularly as anderson's films usually benefit from repeated viewings, but i can't imagine that i'll change my mind regarding how insufferably tired the "offbeat" brothers and their family dynamic was, or (more importantly) how seldom those 91 minutes managed to hold my attention. saw juno this morning, on the other hand, and while its apples and oranges, almost felt as if it entirely negated some of anderson's oeuvre, particularly as far as the young v. old contrast you mentioned is concerned. more entertaining AND more broadly insightful
Posted by: Aguirre
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November 29, 2007 12:46 PM
Funny thing about that "assholes" line is that it was in the original script, but Wilson balked, so it was taken out. On the day of shooting, he decided to use it anyway.
Posted by: thatrader
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November 29, 2007 12:46 PM
"Look at these assholes"
Wasn't that the original title of "Margot at the Wedding"?
Posted by: a1
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November 29, 2007 12:47 PM
Anybody want to translate T. Holly? I did take German in high school if that helps (don't think it would).
Posted by: jeffmcm
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November 29, 2007 12:50 PM
I loved that "assholes" line as well...that was my favorite line of dialogue from the film.
Posted by: actionman
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November 29, 2007 12:54 PM
a1...genius.
Knocked Up is probably one of the films up for consideration for Best Comedy/Musical but I don't think Jeff is posting all of them, just some of the films that don't quite fit in there.
Of all of them, I think only Waitress and Juno fit. I think the Golden Globes do this on purpose. For example, they need to find a way to get Tom Hanks a nomination and he has no chance in the Best Actor, Drama category. It's the same situation as when Jack Nicholson won the Best Actor, Drama for "About Schmidt". It can go either way and the Globes try and get everyone involved.
Posted by: chicbn872
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November 29, 2007 12:56 PM
Coupled with Chevalier, Darjeeling represents Anderson's strongest, most personal work since Rushmore. It'll age quite nicely.
Posted by: gatsby1040
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November 29, 2007 12:56 PM
a1, your comment was DEFINITELY funnier than anything in darjeeling. and true, too. i didnt think that with one project baumbach could squander all of the goodwill squid and the whale afforded him, but he pulled it off! and he was absurdly condescending in the q+a that followed the film, to boot...
Posted by: Aguirre
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November 29, 2007 12:57 PM
Come on, Aguirre...Juno? You don't have to like Darjeeling, but please don't say Juno was the better movie.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 29, 2007 01:09 PM
juno was the better movie! sorry... if i weren't at work i promise i'd provide a more cogent argument, even if it were an ultimately unconvincing one. i'm excited for anderson to wander out of his comfort zone... but juno was funnier, more enjoyable, and most importantly far wiser regarding the transition from / amorphous two-way street between adolescence to adulthood. and, unlike the darjeeling trio, the eponymous juno's eccentricity doesn't play like a writer's crutch.
Posted by: Aguirre
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November 29, 2007 01:15 PM
I admit, I didn't see the whole 'Darjeeling', and I don't intend to judge the whole thing until I do see it... but I had fifteen minutes before 'Jesse James', and it coincided with the opening 15 of that movie [unfortunately, not the short, since then, at least, I would've seen Portman naked], and it was not funny at all. I was shocked. Even the laminated line which sounded funny in reviews was dead. The whole crowd was silent the whole time. I do tend to assume the movie has less exposition after that, since it was ten minutes of pure undiluted expositon coupled with badly edited Kinks songs, but still...
Seems like Wes Anderson's hole just got deeper and narrower. That's what it looked like from the trailer, and the 15 minutes I saw seem to have confirmed it. But I'll watch the whole thing on cable at some point. Even after everything I've said, it seemed better than 'Life Aquatic'.
Posted by: Sean
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November 29, 2007 01:22 PM
Duh guys, he got it from Tom O'Brother.
Ellen Page is the female Ben Foster and just as subtle. Get a load of the dress:
http://weblogs.variety.com/thompsononhollywood/2007/11/awards-watch-go.html
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 29, 2007 01:30 PM
It's ok Aguirre. We're on opposite sides of the fence on this one and I doubt we'd ever convince the other they're wrong. Different people find funny in different places.
I have to admit the audience I was with loved the hell out of Juno. I smiled a lot but genuinely laughed maybe two times.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 29, 2007 01:34 PM
T.Holly, for somebody who rails against the machismo, you resort to TMZ lo-blows against Page for her dress? Come on, help the sisterhood!
Posted by: christian
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November 29, 2007 03:06 PM
Sweet Jesus how big is Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's like they're different species in that picture.
Posted by: BurmaShave
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November 29, 2007 03:10 PM
A little more Queen Gorgo and less Golden.
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 29, 2007 04:47 PM
Good one Burma. It's Maggie and Mini-Maggie.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 29, 2007 04:52 PM
christian, Golden Child, just for you.
http://www.angelicdreamz.com/store/Barbie_Great_Eras_Collection.html
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 29, 2007 05:09 PM
Also, can we go back to not using the word 'dramedy'?
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 29, 2007 06:59 PM
I am transported.
Posted by: christian
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November 29, 2007 07:46 PM
Whaddya mean "go back?" We've been dry, cryptic, deadpan and acid. Why don't they have a best drajedy category, and put The Savages, Margot at the Wedding, Lars and the Real Girl, Lust Caution, Into The Wild, Away From Her, In The Valley of Elah, There Will Be Blood. I think I going to hate Tony Leung, just hope I get there on time, the screening in Hollywood closed inside of 24 hours.
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 29, 2007 08:48 PM
Don't you remember the halcyon days T? Before the word existed?
Ahhh...those were the good times.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 29, 2007 09:33 PM
Those were blessed days indeed before the word "dramedy". I think we can blame for the word (along with so many of the evils of our society) can be squarely placed on television. Back in 1987 with the debuts of "The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd" with Bair Brown and "Hopperman" with John Ritter is when I remember the word first springing forth.
Posted by: PerfectTommy
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November 30, 2007 04:50 AM
No surprises here. The HFPA thought The Squid and the Whale was a comedy, too. By their standards (or at least past practice), Control belongs in this category, too, even though it is neither a comedy nor a musical. Question not the wisdom of the Golden Globes.
Posted by: Sam Adams
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November 30, 2007 05:41 AM
What a shame! I'm guessing true comedies like all three Judd Apatow movies will be left out.
Posted by: martindale
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November 30, 2007 06:52 AM
More, more.
comedy-ironic/sardonic
comedy-gut busting
musical-song and dance
musical-music as story
animated-adult
animated-kid
drama-period
drama-present
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 30, 2007 08:34 AM
One more.
drama-futuristic or fantasy.
More categories: A small price to pay for more good movies.
Posted by: T. Holly
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November 30, 2007 08:59 AM
OT: The Wall Street Journal raves, raves about The Diving Bell and the Butterfly. Given the eternal appeal of the handicapped genre to Hollywood (Million Dollar Baby, My Left Foot, Before Night Falls, etc.), I think that could be a real best picture contender (even if Jeff found it impressive but hard to take).
Posted by: Mgmax
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November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
Oops, not Before Night Falls. What was the other recent arthouse paraplegic-guy-wants-to-die movie?
Posted by: Mgmax
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November 30, 2007 10:17 AM
The Sea Inside.
Posted by: Sean
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November 30, 2007 10:56 AM
Scott Foundas tagged it 'Disability Porn'...ouch. I disagree, but ouch.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 30, 2007 10:58 AM
Well, Foundas did write a lengthy piece on how underrated Brett Ratner is, which I called "Hack Porn."
Posted by: christian
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November 30, 2007 11:04 AM
You know, I generally like Foundas, but thank you for reminding me of that.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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November 30, 2007 11:55 AM
I haven't seen 'Juno', but the trailer is one of the unfunniest, least charming things I've ever seen.
Posted by: Gnome Sayin
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November 30, 2007 10:31 PM
Huhhuhhuh I know, riiiight?!
Posted by: BurmaShave
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November 30, 2007 11:09 PM
If you weren't charmed by the trailer, you're in for a long ride with Juno. All I'm saying.
Posted by: cjKennedy
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December 1, 2007 05:18 PM
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