Summing up: Hillary was the adult, Trump was the bully, Holt was the wimp. She was calm, measured, factual. Trump blathered on, lied, blustered and lied some more. Chris Matthews believes it was A Few Good Men — Trump was Jack Nicholson, Hillary was Tom Cruise. I think by the measure of adult-level facts and seasoned judgment, Hillary out-pointed Trump. Will this matter to Trump voters? Not a bit. Possibly some Gary Johnson voters will be moved somewhat. The main thing is that Hillary stood up and said the right things. She wasn’t knocked off balance, and there were some moments in which she definitely ruled. The loser of the night? Lester Holt.
10:36 pm: Trump: “I saw the polls come in today and I’m either winning or tied.” Hillary: “I hope the people out there understand that this election is really about you. I sure hope that you will get out and vote.” Holt: “Will you accept the will of the people in this election?” Trump: “I will absolutely support her.”
10:30 pm: Hillary: “It is essential that America’s word be good. My answer to the world leaders who are concerned about this, is that our word is good. Donald never tells you what he would do. He has no plans to defeat ISIS. Are we going to lead the world with strength and in accord with our values? I wont to lead a country that our allies can count on.” Trump: “I don’t believe she has the stamina. ” He’s referring to the fainting episode. Holt, your deft and deferential manner is an embarassment.
Hillary: “Try testifying for 10, 11 hours…talk to me about stamina.” Trump: “She’s got experience but bad experience.” Hillary: “This is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. One of the worst things he said was call a woman in a beauty contest, he called her ‘Miss Piggy’ and ‘Ms. Housekeeper.’ And this woman is going to vote in this election.”
10:22 pm: Trump: “I have better judgment than she has. Of course I do. I also have a better temperament. That may be my biggest asset.” Hillary: “Whoo! Okay!” And then she doesn’t mention his blustery, lying bullshit — all the lies he’s been called on, all his intemperate statements, all his goading of his ugly followers at rallies. Hillary: “The worst part is his attitude about nuclear weapons. His cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling. A man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his hands anywhere near the nuclear codes.”
Grow some balls, Holt! Properly mannered candy-ass. Trump is occupying this debate, hoarding 65%, 70% of the air time.
10:13 pm: Trump: “The way the Obama adminstration got out of Iraq was a disaster, [and] this allowed ISIS to gain a foothold.” Hillary: “I hope the fat checkers are turning it up. Donald supported the invasion of Iraq.” Trump: “Wrong.” Lie. He’s a blustery liar. Hillary: “We’re working with NATO,” etc. Trump: “I said NATO does not focus on terror, and a few months ago I read that NATO is opening a major anti-terrorist organization. We have to get NATO to go into [the Middle East] and knock the hell out of them. ISIS is in over 30 countries. You’re going to stop them? I don’t think so. I was against the war in Iraq.” Holt: “The record shows otherwise.” Holt is a wimp! Too deferential, too polite. Trump is bullying him aside.
10:07 pm: No fact-checking means as much lying and fantasy and truth-aversion that Trump wants to deal out. Hillary: “Donald is unfit to be commander in chief”…Putin allegiance, etc. Trump gestures and calls Hillary one of the “political hacks.” I don’t know who hacked into the DNC…it could be someone sitting on their beds who weighs 400 pounds.” Lie, I believe. Not about the 400 pounds, but there is data pointing to the Russians, no?
9:59 pm: In ’08 campaign Sidney Blumenthal and Patti Doyle used birtherism. Tries switching subject. Holt takes him back. Trump: “I was the one that got him to produce a birth certificate. I think I did a good job.” Sniff! “I think I gid a great job and a great serivc ein getting the President to produce his birth certificate…” Hillary: “Well, just listen to what your heard. He has really started his political activity on this racist lie…some in his fold believed it or wanted to believe it. He was sued twice [in the ’70s] for housing discrimination.” Trump: “You know, I watch you talk how lovely things are…your campaign manager said pictures of Obama in certain garb.” Sniff! “That housing discrimination lawsuit was resolved,” blah blah. Sniff!
9:57 pm: Hillary: “New York has done an excellent job of curtailing violence and crime. We have to follow what has been effective and resist things that [may] sound good but may not help in the long run.” Trump: “The African American community has been let down by politicians,” blah blah. Lester tries to interject, Donald keeps going. Hillary: “I’ve prepared to be President, and I think that’s a good thing.”
9:51 pm: Hillary is lucid, factual, intellectual. Donald is blustery, cutting her off, fudging the facts, playing to gut emotions. Hillary: “African American men are more likely to be charged and incarcerated. We can’t just say ‘law and order’…we need to have more second chance programs. We shouldn’t have profit motivation to fill jail cells”…good answer but wonky.
Better answer: “We all have implicit bias in our dealings with each other. We have to ask ‘why am I feeling this way?” Translation: “We’re more racist than we’d like to admit.”
9:46 pm: Trump: “Law and order…we need law and order in our country. Code word for you-know-what. Just ask the ghost of Richard Nixon. We have to stop the violence [by] bringing back law and order.” Translation: Get the bad Chicago blacks with the guns. The bad blacks and the bad Muslims. Holt: “Stop-and-frisk was found unconstitutional in New York…” Trump: “Bad judge. You have to have stop-and-frisk.” Sniff! “You need better relationships between the communities and the police…Lester, we need law and order. African Americans and Hispanic people are bearing the brunt of inner-city violence,” blah blah.
9:43 pm: Hillary: “Race determines too much. We have to restore trust between communites and the police. We have to make sure the police and using the best techniques…using force [only when appropriate]…there are so many good police officers who want reform, and we have to get guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them. Restore trust, tackle the plague of gun violence.”
9:30 pm: Hillary: “Trumped up, trickle down…I don’t think top-down works in America. Investing in the middle class. Broad-based, inclusive growth.” Trump: “Sounds good, doesn’t work. We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble.” I’m getting a headache. Audit liar — “I will release my tax returns as soon as she releases her 33,000 emails.” Cheers from the righty partisans. Holt admonishes.
Hillary: “Why won’t he release his tax returns? First, maybe he’s not a rich as he says he is. Second, maybe he’s not as charitable that he says he is. Third, he owes about $650 million to foreign banks. There’s something he’s hiding. He owes you answers to these questions.” Trump: “Your email thing was more than a mistake. Your [tech guy] taking the fifth is disgraceful. And my tax thing…I could give you a list of banks…I have a great company, I’m very under-leveraged. It’s time we have somebody who has an idea about money.” Compares infrastructure. He’s talking too much, lying a lot, and nobody’s really pushing back.
Hillary: “Maybe because you haven’t paid any income tax for many years. I’ve met dishwashers, drapery installers, architects [and others] whom you refused to pay.” Trump: “Maybe they didn’t do good work?” Hillary: “The thousands of people you stiffed over the years…do they not deserve an apology?” Trump:” “It’s all words, all sound bytes.” Quit sniffling, coke addict!
9:21 pm: Trump: “Your husband signed AFTA…NAFTA is the worst trade deal.” Hillary: “Donald, I know you live in your own reality.” This is a kitchen-table argument. Trump: “You have no plan.” Hillary: “Strong growth, fair growth, sustained growth.” Trump: “You are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in history. My tax cut is the biggest since Ronald Reagan‘s. You want to increase regulations. You are going to raise taxes,” etc. Hillary: “We can’t allowed to let this stand. I think it’s time that the wealthy pay their fair share. You’re going to tell the enemy everything you’re going to do. You have been fighting ISIS your entire adult life.” What?
So far Lester Holt is staying out of it. He’s letting them have at it. Trump is just throwing the furniture around and being the blowhard bully. Hillary is acting like an adult.
9:15 pm: The sniffling — it’s like he’s doing cocaine. Hillary: “Donald was rooting for the housing crisis. We have come back from that abyssm, and it has not been easy. Experts have said that if his tax plan, which would bolow up the debt, we would lose 3.5 million jobs and maybe have another recession. With my plans, we will have 10 million more jobs. Donald thinks climate change is a hoax, created by the Chinese.” Trump: “I did not say that, I did not say that”…liar. Trump: “Look at Michigan and Ohio…so many places where these jobs…” Hillary starting to answer but Trump butting in, frowning…where’s the orange?
9:10 pm: “We have to have smart, fair trade deals, but also a tax system that rewards work, and not just financial transactions,” says Hillary. “Trumped-up trickle-down. Donald was fortunate in his life. Started his business with $14 million dollars borrowed from his father. What I believe is that the more we can do for the middle class, the better we’ll be off.” Trump says his father gave him “a very small amount” — lie. Trump is sniffling loudly. Beat, sniff, beat, sniff, beat, sniff. “Secretary Clinton should have been doing this for years…”
9:03 pm: Lester Holt begins the intro. Six 15-minute segments. Any challenging of blatant lies, Lester? “Hiya, Donald! It’s good to be with you.” Hillary’s hair is a little too short. Donald’s frown. Hillary’s mascara. “We have to make the economy fairer, and guaranteed, finally, equal pay for equal work.” Trump: “Our jobs are fleeing the country. They’re using our country as a piggy bank to rebuild their country. Thousands of jobs. And we can’t allow it to happen any more. We have to stop our jobs from leaving. Under my plan…” This is already sickening.