If there’s one must-to-avoid in terms of conversational observations about famous human beings, it’s deciding who’s “nice” and “not nice”.
Whenever I hear someone say that a famous person he/she has run into socially is “sooo nice” or “not nice,” I give them a death-ray look that would stop Gort in his tracks. “Nice” is welcome, of course, but overrated. What matters to me is “does a famous person I’m speaking to really mean what they say, or are they some kind of performative orangutan going through the motions?”
I don’t obsess over this stuff, mind, but a day-old Lewis Beale Facebook post brought it all back.
The thrust of Beale’s post was “oh, lordy, did Ben Kinsgley behave like an asshole when I interviewed him 30 years ago or what?” As well as “oh my God, Ian McKellen is such a sweetheart….I love the guy!…he’s a gift from God sent to earth to make all of our lives better and sweeter!”
Beale: “Ben Kingsley was interviewed a few days ago in ‘Headliner,’ a regular New York Times arts section feature, where celebrities are asked to name ten of their favorite things. The intro mentions that since Kingsley was knighted years ago, he likes to be referred to as ‘Sir Ben.’
“I interviewed ‘Sir Ben’ back in the ’90s, when I was a staff writer at the New York Daily News. I found him to be an insufferable, pompous bore. He sneered at my questions, treated the film’s publicist like dirt, and refused any posing suggestions from the staff photographer who accompanied me. He has since become my default answer when people ask me what was the worst interview experience I ever had.
“What resulted was the only truly nasty celebrity interview I’ve ever written, in which I compared ‘Sir Ben’ to the alien slime thing in the B-grade sci-fi film Species, which he was supposedly promoting.
“Not long thereafter I interviewed Ian McKellen, who had also been knighted. When I asked him if I should refer to him as ‘Sir Ian,’ he smiled broadly and said, ‘No, just call me Ian.’ He was a sweetheart.”
HE to Beale: I’ve chatted with Mr. McKellen three or four times over the years, and he’s always been a smooth, bright, learned, warm-hearted, unpretentious, cosmopolitan fellow.
There is also, however, room for edgy, prickly fellows like Kingsley from time to time. When you interviewed him he clearly had some kind of disturbance going on inside, perhaps due to the fact that he hated Species (or hated making it or both) and was ashamed to be promoting it.
Okay, he was a dick that day but does he have to be tied to the whipping post for this? Kingsley really has a wonderfully wicked and perverse sense of Don Logan-type madman humor inside, and was also beyond great in Schindler’s List (’93) and (never forget this!) masterful in David Jones‘ Betrayal (’83), not to mention Gandhi (’82) and Bugsy (‘91) and…what was that adaptation of Phillip Roth’s The Dying Animal called?
Why does oddball Ben or Kingsley-the-shithead necessarily have to be condemned? Not every person is conventionally likable in a way that you might prefer. It’s very easy and, I would argue, even somewhat meaningless to behave in a “nice” way. We all have a “nice” face or, if you will, a “nice” mask — it’s just a matter of putting it on.
Don’t get me wrong as I greatly prefer the company of nice, charming, gracious people with a twinkle in their eye, but I also accept or understand that sometimes unusual or interesting or even volcanic people are playing a different kind of game, or at least sometimes they are. They’re not evil — just possessed or mortified or their feelings have been hurt or something in that vein.
I’m a fan of both Ben and Ian…okay?
Beale responds: “Kingsley is an actor. He’s there to promote his film. It’s a business transaction. Being a jerk does just the opposite. Fact is, I still respect him as an actor…’judge the art, not the artist.’ But I’m not the only one who has had [a bad] experience with the guy. I have heard from a lot of people what a complete jerk he can be. He should be able to maintain his composure during an interview. The fact that he can’t says a lot about him as a person.”
HE replies: Yeah, he has a hard time faking it and selling a shit movie…what an atrocious shortcoming! I’ll take a world with interesting troublesome wackazaoids along with nice gracious fellas. More interesting that way.
Beale: “He wasn’t ‘interesting.’ He was just a jerk.”