A q & a transcript between Vulture‘s Lane Brown and Hateful Eight director-writer Quentin Tarantino went up last night, and it has some really great content for just a plain old chit-chat. Here’s one of my favorite portions, which isn’t meant as a shout-out for David O’Russell‘s Joy but you might as well take it that way.

Brown: “And in fairness to blockbusters, nothing stinks worse than bad Oscar bait.”

Tarantino: “The movies that used to be treated as independent movies, like the Sundance movies of the ’90s — those are the movies that are up for Oscars now. Stuff like The Kids Are All Right and The Fighter. They’re the mid-budget movies now, they just have bigger stars and bigger budgets. They’re good, but I don’t know if they have the staying power that some of the movies of the ’90s and the ’70s did. I don’t know if we’re going to be talking about The Town or The Kids Are All Right or An Education 20 or 30 years from now. Notes on a Scandal is another one. Philomena. Half of these Cate Blanchett movies — they’re all just like these arty things. I’m not saying they’re bad movies, but I don’t think most of them have a shelf life. But The Fighter or American Hustle — those will be watched in 30 years.”

Brown: “You think so?”

Tarantino: “I could be completely wrong about that. I’m not Nostradamus.”

Brown: “What makes The Fighter something we’ll be talking about in 30 years?”

Tarantino: “Part of that is the explosion of David O. Russell’s talent, which had always been there but really coalesced in that movie. I think he’s the best actor’s director, along with myself, working in movies today. And The Fighter had impeccable casting.

“As an example, I really liked The Town, which also came out in 2010. It was a good crime film. However, next to The Fighter, it just couldn’t hold up, because everybody in The Town is beyond gorgeous. Ben Affleck is the one who gets away with it, because his Boston accent is so good. But the crook is absolutely gorgeous. The bank teller is absolutely gorgeous. The FBI guy is absolutely gorgeous. The town whore, Blake Lively, is absolutely gorgeous. Jeremy Renner is the least gorgeous guy, and he’s pretty fucking good-looking. Then, if you look at The Fighter and you look at those sisters, they’re just so magnificent. When you see David O. Russell cast those sisters and you see Ben Affleck cast Blake Lively, you can’t compare the two movies. One just shows how phony the other is.”

Another Russell/Lawrence plug: “I’m a very big fan of Jennifer Lawrence. I think she could end up being another little Bette Davis if she keeps on going the way she’s going. I think her work with David O. Russell is very reminiscent of [the work between] William Wyler and Bette Davis.”